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		<title>By: Meglepődve &#8211; élet és könyvtár</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/3053/leaving-des-moines/comment-page-1/#comment-129435</link>
		<dc:creator>Meglepődve &#8211; élet és könyvtár</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jessamyn West [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/3053/leaving-des-moines/comment-page-1/#comment-129411</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;there just isn’t a friendly, welcoming way to say “you can’t do that here”.

That&#039;s a terrible excuse for unfriendly attitudes and behavior. 

Library staff have to explain policies to library users every day, and doing so in a hostile or indifferent manner means a poor standard of customer service. It&#039;s 100% possible to explain a policy, even a prohibition on photography, in a courteous and friendly way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;there just isn’t a friendly, welcoming way to say “you can’t do that here”.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a terrible excuse for unfriendly attitudes and behavior. </p>
<p>Library staff have to explain policies to library users every day, and doing so in a hostile or indifferent manner means a poor standard of customer service. It&#8217;s 100% possible to explain a policy, even a prohibition on photography, in a courteous and friendly way.</p>
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		<title>By: Library Photog</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/3053/leaving-des-moines/comment-page-1/#comment-129400</link>
		<dc:creator>Library Photog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh!  All the rules!  I just want to take beautiful photos of the wonderful buildings that I work in! Our libraries ARE the people who visit. Patrons have become visibly irate at us--staff--trying to photograph..and they&#039;re not even in the pic!  JenWaller said it best:  &quot;it often makes libraries appear empty when they patently aren’t.&quot;  Anyways, renovates are in our future - great idea from all of this is to turn the cameras over to the patrons &amp; have them photograph their favorite parts. It&#039;s time to research all the rules I&#039;ll need to include for this project! No fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh!  All the rules!  I just want to take beautiful photos of the wonderful buildings that I work in! Our libraries ARE the people who visit. Patrons have become visibly irate at us&#8211;staff&#8211;trying to photograph..and they&#8217;re not even in the pic!  JenWaller said it best:  &#8220;it often makes libraries appear empty when they patently aren’t.&#8221;  Anyways, renovates are in our future &#8211; great idea from all of this is to turn the cameras over to the patrons &amp; have them photograph their favorite parts. It&#8217;s time to research all the rules I&#8217;ll need to include for this project! No fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Sludge</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/3053/leaving-des-moines/comment-page-1/#comment-129346</link>
		<dc:creator>Sludge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Kathy sez &quot;It drives me crazy how libraries spend so much time making policies but so little time publicizing them in useful ways or training staff to understand them.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Personally, I think the main reason this happens is that administration and/or management is too busy strategizing in backrooms instead of first observing what is actually happening in their libraries, in particular, how spaces are being used by customers.  This is also a prime reason why its taken so long for libraries of all sizes to catch up to what&#039;s going on with technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Kathy sez &#8220;It drives me crazy how libraries spend so much time making policies but so little time publicizing them in useful ways or training staff to understand them.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Personally, I think the main reason this happens is that administration and/or management is too busy strategizing in backrooms instead of first observing what is actually happening in their libraries, in particular, how spaces are being used by customers.  This is also a prime reason why its taken so long for libraries of all sizes to catch up to what&#8217;s going on with technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Photo Taking Permissions and Policy &#171; Illinois Libraries Matter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Photo Taking Permissions and Policy &#171; Illinois Libraries Matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 12, 2009 &#183; Leave a Comment  There&#8217;s an interesting discussion on Jessamyn&#8217;s librarian.net blog about her (bad) experience taking photos at the Des Moine Public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 12, 2009 &middot; Leave a Comment  There&#8217;s an interesting discussion on Jessamyn&#8217;s librarian.net blog about her (bad) experience taking photos at the Des Moine Public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Photo Permissions at the Library &#124; David Lee King</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/3053/leaving-des-moines/comment-page-1/#comment-129269</link>
		<dc:creator>Photo Permissions at the Library &#124; David Lee King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple of weeks ago, Jessamyn over at librarian.net posted about her experience with photo permissions at a library she was visiting. Interesting story [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Sauers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sauers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late to this party but I&#039;ll just add that I took photos there a year or so ago and had no one bother me about it. They&#039;re on Flickr @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/sets/72157603880215214/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late to this party but I&#8217;ll just add that I took photos there a year or so ago and had no one bother me about it. They&#8217;re on Flickr @ <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/sets/72157603880215214/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/travelinlibrarian/sets/72157603880215214/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hedley (not Hedy) Lamarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hedley (not Hedy) Lamarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the policy on chewing gum? I am careful to bring wrappers and dispose of gum in approved and appropriately marked gum-disposal receptacles. (like the one below)

http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/photos/2007/03/gum_disposal_king_brick_wall_01.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the policy on chewing gum? I am careful to bring wrappers and dispose of gum in approved and appropriately marked gum-disposal receptacles. (like the one below)</p>
<p><a href="http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/photos/2007/03/gum_disposal_king_brick_wall_01.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://wvs.topleftpixel.com/photos/2007/03/gum_disposal_king_brick_wall_01.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like John&#039;s differentiating between a policy issue and a photo issue.  The taking of photos under tables should be banned because it is sexual harassment and I&#039;m sure violates the library&#039;s acceptable behavior policy.  

If someone is swearing in the library, do we need a policy that requires all patrons to get staff permission before speaking?  If someone has bad breath, do we need a policy that requires all patrons to get staff permission before the breathe?  Of course not - we just to enforce the polices they have, rather than writing new blanket policies every time some new situation arises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like John&#8217;s differentiating between a policy issue and a photo issue.  The taking of photos under tables should be banned because it is sexual harassment and I&#8217;m sure violates the library&#8217;s acceptable behavior policy.  </p>
<p>If someone is swearing in the library, do we need a policy that requires all patrons to get staff permission before speaking?  If someone has bad breath, do we need a policy that requires all patrons to get staff permission before the breathe?  Of course not &#8211; we just to enforce the polices they have, rather than writing new blanket policies every time some new situation arises.</p>
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		<title>By: John McLachlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McLachlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony of having so much of our lives recorded by &quot;the Authorities&quot; and yet we can&#039;t take photographs in a public space is very funny.

However, I think this is a policy story and not one of our freedom to take photographs. It&#039;s another example of trying to cover all the bases instead of stopping the creep who is stalking someone in a library or taking photos under a table and letting the citizen who likes the building take a photo. 

I had the same thing happen to me a few years ago in Montreal at a new, stunning library there. I loved the lobby of the structure so took some images and I was severely reprimanded. How ludicrous. I&#039;ll never go back and I&#039;ve told everybody I know about my treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony of having so much of our lives recorded by &#8220;the Authorities&#8221; and yet we can&#8217;t take photographs in a public space is very funny.</p>
<p>However, I think this is a policy story and not one of our freedom to take photographs. It&#8217;s another example of trying to cover all the bases instead of stopping the creep who is stalking someone in a library or taking photos under a table and letting the citizen who likes the building take a photo. </p>
<p>I had the same thing happen to me a few years ago in Montreal at a new, stunning library there. I loved the lobby of the structure so took some images and I was severely reprimanded. How ludicrous. I&#8217;ll never go back and I&#8217;ve told everybody I know about my treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Rule Enforcers and Rule Makers &#171; in over your head</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rule Enforcers and Rule Makers &#171; in over your head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over you in certain contexts. I met Jessamyn West this weekend, and she talked about how she was stopped in a library in Des Moines for taking pictures. When she asked why, there was no reason&#8211; it was just &#8220;against [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over you in certain contexts. I met Jessamyn West this weekend, and she talked about how she was stopped in a library in Des Moines for taking pictures. When she asked why, there was no reason&#8211; it was just &#8220;against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: laurist</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/3053/leaving-des-moines/comment-page-1/#comment-128589</link>
		<dc:creator>laurist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your comment in this and i considered your feeling about the topic of theleaving des moines and its a great story.


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1989925&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Acai Force Max Review&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your comment in this and i considered your feeling about the topic of theleaving des moines and its a great story.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1989925" rel="nofollow">Acai Force Max Review</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aigio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aigio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link you posted is very useful. 

Thank you and keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link you posted is very useful. </p>
<p>Thank you and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked in public libraries for years and dealt with this, the stalking, people throwing fits over their privacy, news reporters barging in whenever they want, etc., I&#039;m still going to say it: public libraries are public property, and as such, I don&#039;t really think blanket policies restricting photography should be in place.

What I have learned over the years is that trying to prevent harassment through policies blocking possibly innocent secondary behaviors tends to hurt innocent people while the harassers continue.  The best thing you can do is train your staff how to stay polite and smile, but if they believe someone is being harassed, write up excellent documentation and ask the patron(s) if they want the police called.  It is not your job to be the police.

Once you start saying, &quot;You can&#039;t take pictures in this public place because...&quot; that&#039;s when they start telling people you can&#039;t take pictures in a park, or of brutality, or of anything else they don&#039;t want anyone to see.  Public is public.  You have a right not to be harassed, but you do not have a right to infringe on the rights of others because of your own fears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked in public libraries for years and dealt with this, the stalking, people throwing fits over their privacy, news reporters barging in whenever they want, etc., I&#8217;m still going to say it: public libraries are public property, and as such, I don&#8217;t really think blanket policies restricting photography should be in place.</p>
<p>What I have learned over the years is that trying to prevent harassment through policies blocking possibly innocent secondary behaviors tends to hurt innocent people while the harassers continue.  The best thing you can do is train your staff how to stay polite and smile, but if they believe someone is being harassed, write up excellent documentation and ask the patron(s) if they want the police called.  It is not your job to be the police.</p>
<p>Once you start saying, &#8220;You can&#8217;t take pictures in this public place because&#8230;&#8221; that&#8217;s when they start telling people you can&#8217;t take pictures in a park, or of brutality, or of anything else they don&#8217;t want anyone to see.  Public is public.  You have a right not to be harassed, but you do not have a right to infringe on the rights of others because of your own fears.</p>
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		<title>By: jessamyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessamyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Kathy, that&#039;s really cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Kathy, that&#8217;s really cool.</p>
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