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	<title>Comments on: On Fact Checking and Sarah Palin and Book Banning</title>
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		<title>By: jessamyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessamyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -- it&#039;s impossible to both have a popular blog and be able to control the ripple  effects of that blog. The larger internet is not made up of children or people with whom I have any sort of oversight or supervisory role as in your examples. My general feeling is that anyone who can figure out how to permalink a comment on a blog can also read the post it&#039;s attached to, and that&#039;s where my very visible disclaimer was. There is no way people could see the comment and not see all the other comments surrounding it -- there was no way it appeared on a page by itself.

&lt;em&gt;I was hoping that you had a sense of duty towards seeing truth prevail over deceit, elevated discussion of facts prevail over exchanged accusations of political smears, so I hoped you would be self-motivated to take the necessary extra step in THAT spirit.&lt;/em&gt;

I do, and I think I took the necessary steps as I outlined in this post. You clearly disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8212; it&#8217;s impossible to both have a popular blog and be able to control the ripple  effects of that blog. The larger internet is not made up of children or people with whom I have any sort of oversight or supervisory role as in your examples. My general feeling is that anyone who can figure out how to permalink a comment on a blog can also read the post it&#8217;s attached to, and that&#8217;s where my very visible disclaimer was. There is no way people could see the comment and not see all the other comments surrounding it &#8212; there was no way it appeared on a page by itself.</p>
<p><em>I was hoping that you had a sense of duty towards seeing truth prevail over deceit, elevated discussion of facts prevail over exchanged accusations of political smears, so I hoped you would be self-motivated to take the necessary extra step in THAT spirit.</em></p>
<p>I do, and I think I took the necessary steps as I outlined in this post. You clearly disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Limen: Thoughts from a threshold &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Banned Books Week 2: Politics and challenges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Limen: Thoughts from a threshold &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Banned Books Week 2: Politics and challenges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (including relevant quotes), but I was reading about it as things came out on librarian.net (here has a nice summary of her issues and links to the relevant posts) and there&#8217;s a bunch of other [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/2387/on-fact-checking-and-sarah-palin-and-book-banning/comment-page-1/#comment-120394</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those people who wrote you on 9/5 asking you to place a disclaimer at the top of the post itself (not just at the top of the blog entry).  Given that you had already written your comment, and I wasn&#039;t asking you to remove anything, there was no question of censorship AT ALL here, it was just a question of placing the comment you had already written (not changing a word) on a different place on the page, where people had a much greater chance of seeing it.  As I wrote you that day, I had come upon your blog because other sites were linking to THAT SPECIFIC comment on your post, not to the post in general, and so the only way they would ever see your disclaimer is if they read the entire (still lengthening) web page.  It was clear, I wrote you, that the people who were linking to that comment on that page were not doing so, so the misinformation was poised to rapidly proliferate.

Alas, this is what happened -- if you go back and read subsequent comments to that blog post of yours, you see all sorts of people are (unfairly) citing YOUR BLOG as part of some vast unfounded smear campaign against Palin.  The fact she inquired seriously about banning books at all, was quickly lost in the &quot;outrage&quot; of people that your blog page contained a clearly inaccurate information, with no clear (easy to find) refutation in it.  As I wrote you on 9/5 (my son&#039;s birthday too, by the way), I&#039;d seen this before (e.g. the falsified document in the Bush Natl Guard story obscured a lot of valid information and points), and I knew what would happen next.

You ask where your responsibility begins and ends.  Unfortunately, like many people in life, you must be responsible not only for your actions, but others who you somehow enable (whether it be parent with kids, mangers with employees, principals with teachers, etc).  If someone you are responsible for makes an error, you have to address it.  Just as when you accept a job to be a principal, or decide to become a parent, I believe when you choose to host a blog, you accept some responsibility for whether ANY content on it contributes or detracts from truth in societal debate.  Again, I did not ask you to censor at all, I just asked you to make your already-existing disclaimer more prominent, because I knew many people were never seeing it.  This is not that different than a principal having to make an official censure of a teacher committing an ethical violation: it&#039;s not enough to just make the statement of censure, it must be done in a way that people actually are likely to HEAR it.

For what it&#039;s worth.  Even if you don&#039;t agree with all that, I was actually not appealing to you legalistic interpretation of &quot;responsibility&quot; anyway -- I was hoping that you had a sense of duty towards seeing truth prevail over deceit, elevated discussion of facts prevail over exchanged accusations of political smears, so I hoped you would be self-motivated to take the necessary extra step in THAT spirit.  That seems to be very akin to the mission of libraries.  So I hoped the whole discussion of &quot;responsibility&quot; would never have to come up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those people who wrote you on 9/5 asking you to place a disclaimer at the top of the post itself (not just at the top of the blog entry).  Given that you had already written your comment, and I wasn&#8217;t asking you to remove anything, there was no question of censorship AT ALL here, it was just a question of placing the comment you had already written (not changing a word) on a different place on the page, where people had a much greater chance of seeing it.  As I wrote you that day, I had come upon your blog because other sites were linking to THAT SPECIFIC comment on your post, not to the post in general, and so the only way they would ever see your disclaimer is if they read the entire (still lengthening) web page.  It was clear, I wrote you, that the people who were linking to that comment on that page were not doing so, so the misinformation was poised to rapidly proliferate.</p>
<p>Alas, this is what happened &#8212; if you go back and read subsequent comments to that blog post of yours, you see all sorts of people are (unfairly) citing YOUR BLOG as part of some vast unfounded smear campaign against Palin.  The fact she inquired seriously about banning books at all, was quickly lost in the &#8220;outrage&#8221; of people that your blog page contained a clearly inaccurate information, with no clear (easy to find) refutation in it.  As I wrote you on 9/5 (my son&#8217;s birthday too, by the way), I&#8217;d seen this before (e.g. the falsified document in the Bush Natl Guard story obscured a lot of valid information and points), and I knew what would happen next.</p>
<p>You ask where your responsibility begins and ends.  Unfortunately, like many people in life, you must be responsible not only for your actions, but others who you somehow enable (whether it be parent with kids, mangers with employees, principals with teachers, etc).  If someone you are responsible for makes an error, you have to address it.  Just as when you accept a job to be a principal, or decide to become a parent, I believe when you choose to host a blog, you accept some responsibility for whether ANY content on it contributes or detracts from truth in societal debate.  Again, I did not ask you to censor at all, I just asked you to make your already-existing disclaimer more prominent, because I knew many people were never seeing it.  This is not that different than a principal having to make an official censure of a teacher committing an ethical violation: it&#8217;s not enough to just make the statement of censure, it must be done in a way that people actually are likely to HEAR it.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth.  Even if you don&#8217;t agree with all that, I was actually not appealing to you legalistic interpretation of &#8220;responsibility&#8221; anyway &#8212; I was hoping that you had a sense of duty towards seeing truth prevail over deceit, elevated discussion of facts prevail over exchanged accusations of political smears, so I hoped you would be self-motivated to take the necessary extra step in THAT spirit.  That seems to be very akin to the mission of libraries.  So I hoped the whole discussion of &#8220;responsibility&#8221; would never have to come up.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/2387/on-fact-checking-and-sarah-palin-and-book-banning/comment-page-1/#comment-120261</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy belated birthday!</description>
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		<title>By: Jerry Carbone</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/2387/on-fact-checking-and-sarah-palin-and-book-banning/comment-page-1/#comment-120214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Carbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYT article today,9/16/08,&quot;Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes&quot;

&quot;But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.

“Sarah said she didn’t need to read that stuff,” Ms. Chase said. “It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn’t even read it.”

“I’m still proud of Sarah,” she added, “but she scares the bejeebers out of me.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYT article today,9/16/08,&#8221;Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.</p>
<p>“Sarah said she didn’t need to read that stuff,” Ms. Chase said. “It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn’t even read it.”</p>
<p>“I’m still proud of Sarah,” she added, “but she scares the bejeebers out of me.”</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Casburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Casburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessamyn: Happy birthday!

It&#039;s disappointing that neither the &quot;Librarians against Palin&quot; website nor the &quot;Librarians for Palin&quot; website identify the people running them. The &quot;for&quot; website looks more like Astroturf than grassroots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessamyn: Happy birthday!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s disappointing that neither the &#8220;Librarians against Palin&#8221; website nor the &#8220;Librarians for Palin&#8221; website identify the people running them. The &#8220;for&#8221; website looks more like Astroturf than grassroots.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a hurricane! I&#039;m very impressed with how you&#039;ve handled it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a hurricane! I&#8217;m very impressed with how you&#8217;ve handled it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve seen this but the city library of Wasilla has a statement.  It&#039;s a one-page PDF.

http://www.cityofwasilla.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=516</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve seen this but the city library of Wasilla has a statement.  It&#8217;s a one-page PDF.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cityofwasilla.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=516" rel="nofollow">http://www.cityofwasilla.com/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=516</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marilyn Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great and gracious post, Jessamyn.
Happy birthday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great and gracious post, Jessamyn.<br />
Happy birthday!</p>
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		<title>By: bibli</title>
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		<dc:creator>bibli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing follow up.  I want to be you when I grow up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing follow up.  I want to be you when I grow up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.</description>
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		<title>By: Amelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>happy belated birthday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>happy belated birthday!</p>
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		<title>By: Coral Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coral Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your responsibility stopped at editing the post, honestly, and maybe at closing the comments.  But responding to all of the e-mails and linking to Snopes in this post was taking it the extra mile.  Way to be all librarian and go out of your way to provide the right information. (Yes, I just adjectived that noun.)  

Happy belated birthday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your responsibility stopped at editing the post, honestly, and maybe at closing the comments.  But responding to all of the e-mails and linking to Snopes in this post was taking it the extra mile.  Way to be all librarian and go out of your way to provide the right information. (Yes, I just adjectived that noun.)  </p>
<p>Happy belated birthday!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Braithwaite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Braithwaite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of repeating the sentiments expressed above, I thought this post was a great example of the ethical and diligent way you go about your writing on librarian.net. Hang in there, and keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of repeating the sentiments expressed above, I thought this post was a great example of the ethical and diligent way you go about your writing on librarian.net. Hang in there, and keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessamyn,

I was so impressed with the way you touched on the issue from the get go.  Rather than jump to a conclusion, you presented information clearly and without bias.  It&#039;s unfortunate that so many made a snap judgment based on very little evidence and not a lot of fact checking.  In a class I&#039;m taking, we are encouraged to share news items on current events which affect the library and information science field and I chose to link to your original post because I appreciated the fair way that you presented the issue.

Before I forget, Happy Birthday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessamyn,</p>
<p>I was so impressed with the way you touched on the issue from the get go.  Rather than jump to a conclusion, you presented information clearly and without bias.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that so many made a snap judgment based on very little evidence and not a lot of fact checking.  In a class I&#8217;m taking, we are encouraged to share news items on current events which affect the library and information science field and I chose to link to your original post because I appreciated the fair way that you presented the issue.</p>
<p>Before I forget, Happy Birthday!</p>
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