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		<title>By: Uncontrolled Vocabulary #28 - You prob&#8217;ly think this show is about you, don&#8217;t you? &#124; Uncontrolled Vocabulary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncontrolled Vocabulary #28 - You prob&#8217;ly think this show is about you, don&#8217;t you? &#124; Uncontrolled Vocabulary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is &#8220;Traditional Reference&#8221; Dead? (Pegasus Librarian) what are you for? (librarian.net) Ustream.TV Chosen to Live Stream the Republican National Convention [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Woeful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woeful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right Hugh, the Adult Entertainment Industry is already looking into &lt;a href=&quot;http://librarianwoes.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/a-viable-libporn-solution-moporn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cell phone porn&lt;/a&gt; as their other distribution methods begin to dry up. They continuously scan the horizon and run way ahead of the market curve. Having only one product helps their focus immensely, and is a big advantage for them.

So, how do we as librarians parlay this into remaining relevant? To talk like a marketer, what part of the reptilian brain does a library satisfy? It seems to me that public libraries try to be all things to all people, maybe this is our greatest weakness? We are diffuse and have limited focus... Are we books, or DVDs, or MP3s, or games, or programming, or the Internet? We are all of these things and much more.

At their most basic level, public libraries attempt to do two things, provide answers, and entertainment. The question is how do we do this for such a wide audience that is comprised of all ages, races, and religions and do it successfully in a world where everyone can&#039;t be pleased all the time? Maybe we should concentrate on doing a few things really well, instead of just attempting to do many things well. Of course, each library would have to decide what those things should be for their own communities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right Hugh, the Adult Entertainment Industry is already looking into <a href="http://librarianwoes.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/a-viable-libporn-solution-moporn/" rel="nofollow">cell phone porn</a> as their other distribution methods begin to dry up. They continuously scan the horizon and run way ahead of the market curve. Having only one product helps their focus immensely, and is a big advantage for them.</p>
<p>So, how do we as librarians parlay this into remaining relevant? To talk like a marketer, what part of the reptilian brain does a library satisfy? It seems to me that public libraries try to be all things to all people, maybe this is our greatest weakness? We are diffuse and have limited focus&#8230; Are we books, or DVDs, or MP3s, or games, or programming, or the Internet? We are all of these things and much more.</p>
<p>At their most basic level, public libraries attempt to do two things, provide answers, and entertainment. The question is how do we do this for such a wide audience that is comprised of all ages, races, and religions and do it successfully in a world where everyone can&#8217;t be pleased all the time? Maybe we should concentrate on doing a few things really well, instead of just attempting to do many things well. Of course, each library would have to decide what those things should be for their own communities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SovietBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>SovietBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaleA: I&#039;ve seen enough bad porn to know that it&#039;s not fish in a barrel. Bad porn (i.e. poor lighting and angles) quickly becomes unprofitable and is either licensed to discount porn vendors or relegated to hobbyist/amateur sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaleA: I&#8217;ve seen enough bad porn to know that it&#8217;s not fish in a barrel. Bad porn (i.e. poor lighting and angles) quickly becomes unprofitable and is either licensed to discount porn vendors or relegated to hobbyist/amateur sites.</p>
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		<title>By: hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@daleA: indeed it&#039;s that we&#039;re pervy, but the point is that porn is delivery-mechanism agnostic ... they&#039;ll use whatever means necessary to fulfill our perviness. whereas the music biz, newspapers, libraries, etc, say: we sell music, or newspapers, or we provide a place to read books. 

so the question for libraries is: if porn satisfies perviness, what is the equivalent need libraries fulfill? and what is the best way to do that? rather than getting hung up on how they have fulfilled that need in the past (eg. by lending out books), they need to keep seeking tools to answer that need (but first they have to define the need properly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@daleA: indeed it&#8217;s that we&#8217;re pervy, but the point is that porn is delivery-mechanism agnostic &#8230; they&#8217;ll use whatever means necessary to fulfill our perviness. whereas the music biz, newspapers, libraries, etc, say: we sell music, or newspapers, or we provide a place to read books. </p>
<p>so the question for libraries is: if porn satisfies perviness, what is the equivalent need libraries fulfill? and what is the best way to do that? rather than getting hung up on how they have fulfilled that need in the past (eg. by lending out books), they need to keep seeking tools to answer that need (but first they have to define the need properly).</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaleA: I think part of the disconnect with librarians is that we are assuming that deep down we&#039;re all a little...research-y. I think the real reason why sites like boingboing are more successful than say a library blog that&#039;s pointing out resources is that they don&#039;t assume you respect their selections...they earn that respect by consistently selecting stories that interest people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaleA: I think part of the disconnect with librarians is that we are assuming that deep down we&#8217;re all a little&#8230;research-y. I think the real reason why sites like boingboing are more successful than say a library blog that&#8217;s pointing out resources is that they don&#8217;t assume you respect their selections&#8230;they earn that respect by consistently selecting stories that interest people.</p>
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		<title>By: Myspace &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myspace &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unknown wrote an interesting post today on Comment on what are you for? by Politics &#194;&#187; Comment on what are you&#8230;Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt[…] MySpace.com Blogs - Paul Levinson MySpace Blog wrote an interesting post today on Comment on what are you for? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Politics &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politics &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MySpace.com Blogs - Paul Levinson MySpace Blog wrote an interesting post today on Comment on what are you for? by Politics &#194;&#187; Comment on what are you&#8230;Here&#8217;s a quick excerpt[…] Politics Â» Comment on what are you for? by Pete wrote an interesting post today on Comment on what are you for? by Politics Â» Comment&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Politics &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politics &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Politics &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politics &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Politics » Comment on what are you &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Politics &#194;&#187; Comment on what are you for? by Pete wrote an interesting post today on Comment on what are you for? by Politics &#194;&#187; Comment on what are you &#8230;Here&#8217;s a quick excerptRyan Jerz’s blog wrote an interesting post today on Comment on what are you for? by PeteHere’sa quick excerptI think of blogs in terms of environmental scanning and data aggregation for niche interests (politics, libraries, pr0n, &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Politics &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Politics &#187; Comment on what are you for? by Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ryan Jerz&#8217;s blog wrote an interesting post today on Comment on what are you for? by PeteHere&#8217;s a quick excerptI think of blogs in terms of environmental scanning and data aggregation for niche interests (politics, libraries, pr0n, local gossip&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ryan Jerz&#8217;s blog wrote an interesting post today on Comment on what are you for? by PeteHere&#8217;s a quick excerptI think of blogs in terms of environmental scanning and data aggregation for niche interests (politics, libraries, pr0n, local gossip&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly right. I think of blogs in terms of environmental scanning and data aggregation for niche interests (politics, libraries, pr0n, local gossip, whatever). Users face a complex information environment that blogs simplify, helping to provide structure and narrative. 

The interesting part is that this happens within a network structure where sites play specific roles, with less popular sites doing more scanning and less aggregation and more popular sites doing the reverse (think B^2 with its short, link-centric posts and swarm of feeder sites). The neat thing about this ecosystem is that, like your local wetland, it sort of developed over time of its own accord. Maybe that&#039;s why blogs seem to know what they&#039;re good at: the network, which is where blogs really get their value, evolved to do what it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly right. I think of blogs in terms of environmental scanning and data aggregation for niche interests (politics, libraries, pr0n, local gossip, whatever). Users face a complex information environment that blogs simplify, helping to provide structure and narrative. </p>
<p>The interesting part is that this happens within a network structure where sites play specific roles, with less popular sites doing more scanning and less aggregation and more popular sites doing the reverse (think B^2 with its short, link-centric posts and swarm of feeder sites). The neat thing about this ecosystem is that, like your local wetland, it sort of developed over time of its own accord. Maybe that&#8217;s why blogs seem to know what they&#8217;re good at: the network, which is where blogs really get their value, evolved to do what it does.</p>
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		<title>By: DaleA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaleA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is porn profitable because the industry knows what it is for, or because, deep down (or not), we&#039;re all a bit pervy? Seems like making porn is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.

There was an article about a decade ago in the New Yorker about male porn stars. A sad, moving piece, oddly. At any rate, what struck me was that almost no one in porn liked being there, but thought of it as a ticket to a better place. As librarians, do we sometimes envision the library we work in as the porn mill, which will hopefully evolve into the dream we had at some point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is porn profitable because the industry knows what it is for, or because, deep down (or not), we&#8217;re all a bit pervy? Seems like making porn is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.</p>
<p>There was an article about a decade ago in the New Yorker about male porn stars. A sad, moving piece, oddly. At any rate, what struck me was that almost no one in porn liked being there, but thought of it as a ticket to a better place. As librarians, do we sometimes envision the library we work in as the porn mill, which will hopefully evolve into the dream we had at some point?</p>
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