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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/2084/on-fame-and-whats-enduring/comment-page-1/#comment-100042</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case the NYT article wasn&#039;t enough, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysun.com/article/57835&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s an NY Sun one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case the NYT article wasn&#8217;t enough, <a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/57835" rel="nofollow">here</a>&#8216;s an NY Sun one.</p>
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		<title>By: RML</title>
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		<dc:creator>RML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why isn&#039;t there some fun group like the Desk Set in my town?  Maybe I should go start one.  I&#039;m thirty-something and like cocktails.  You&#039;re all invited to join me, regardless of age or perceived &quot;hipness&quot;.  Hot wings for everyone!

I get the annoyance with this article, even though I thought it was fluffy fun.  The thing is to do what you can to change what annoys you.  So write a letter to the editor of your local paper praising the wonderful summer reading program at your public library, or telling how the librarians at your university really helped you with your degree.  Put on fun events of your own, and call your old college roommate who was a journalism major to tip her off that there&#039;s a story to be covered.  Offer yourself as an exhibitor on career day at the local high school, so you tell young people what a great job you have.  I think there are ways that we can work to generate more positive press, even if getting away from the insipid is difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why isn&#8217;t there some fun group like the Desk Set in my town?  Maybe I should go start one.  I&#8217;m thirty-something and like cocktails.  You&#8217;re all invited to join me, regardless of age or perceived &#8220;hipness&#8221;.  Hot wings for everyone!</p>
<p>I get the annoyance with this article, even though I thought it was fluffy fun.  The thing is to do what you can to change what annoys you.  So write a letter to the editor of your local paper praising the wonderful summer reading program at your public library, or telling how the librarians at your university really helped you with your degree.  Put on fun events of your own, and call your old college roommate who was a journalism major to tip her off that there&#8217;s a story to be covered.  Offer yourself as an exhibitor on career day at the local high school, so you tell young people what a great job you have.  I think there are ways that we can work to generate more positive press, even if getting away from the insipid is difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times profile gets two thumbs up for me. It&#039;s good to see librarians being profiled in the NYT.

On the other hand, this profile should really get no reaction from librarians. We are way too overconcerned with our image. Our image among the public is very good. Does the public hate us more than doctors, scientists, politicians and sports stars? The image of librarians is a real non-issue.

What we should be angry about is everything else. Where are the fucking jobs that are supposed to be available? Why is there such rampant ageism in the profession? Why aren&#039;t any of these young librarians library directors? Why aren&#039;t librarians paid more? Why do cities spend so much money on library buildings and not an equivalent amount on library worker salaries and books? Why aren&#039;t librarians unionized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times profile gets two thumbs up for me. It&#8217;s good to see librarians being profiled in the NYT.</p>
<p>On the other hand, this profile should really get no reaction from librarians. We are way too overconcerned with our image. Our image among the public is very good. Does the public hate us more than doctors, scientists, politicians and sports stars? The image of librarians is a real non-issue.</p>
<p>What we should be angry about is everything else. Where are the fucking jobs that are supposed to be available? Why is there such rampant ageism in the profession? Why aren&#8217;t any of these young librarians library directors? Why aren&#8217;t librarians paid more? Why do cities spend so much money on library buildings and not an equivalent amount on library worker salaries and books? Why aren&#8217;t librarians unionized?</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that &quot;what you said&quot; comments are annoying, but I feel the need...

Melinor Vix - Fabulous! 

Meg - Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that &#8220;what you said&#8221; comments are annoying, but I feel the need&#8230;</p>
<p>Melinor Vix &#8211; Fabulous! </p>
<p>Meg &#8211; Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/2084/on-fame-and-whats-enduring/comment-page-1/#comment-99835</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that no matter what image of the librarian is projected in the media, someone is offended.  Unfortunately, newspapers and magazines do not exist to always provide perfectly balanced, in-depth looks at vocations (especially in the style section).  I think as a whole there&#039;s a rather unhealthy obsession with the librarian stereotype and librarians in the media.  This is to the point where instead of focusing on subjects that would improve the overall life of librarians (better pay, better benefits, more full-time positions, more realistic training, etc.), librarians are spending their time worrying about improving the image of librarians.

Improve the pay, the training, and the professionalism and stop worrying what other people think and the rest will come.  (BTW, where the blazes does the $51k median salary come from, ALA?  I&#039;d like to see those numbers.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that no matter what image of the librarian is projected in the media, someone is offended.  Unfortunately, newspapers and magazines do not exist to always provide perfectly balanced, in-depth looks at vocations (especially in the style section).  I think as a whole there&#8217;s a rather unhealthy obsession with the librarian stereotype and librarians in the media.  This is to the point where instead of focusing on subjects that would improve the overall life of librarians (better pay, better benefits, more full-time positions, more realistic training, etc.), librarians are spending their time worrying about improving the image of librarians.</p>
<p>Improve the pay, the training, and the professionalism and stop worrying what other people think and the rest will come.  (BTW, where the blazes does the $51k median salary come from, ALA?  I&#8217;d like to see those numbers.)</p>
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		<title>By: Melinor Vix</title>
		<link>http://www.librarian.net/stax/2084/on-fame-and-whats-enduring/comment-page-1/#comment-99829</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinor Vix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joke comprehension may decrease with age.
“Young, vulgar, tattooed hipsters--get real,”
brave librarian cops will bristle and rage.

But if one life is saved by this Style Page
it has been worth it. Though I feel
joke comprehension may decrease with age

and sense of humor is a narrow stage.
I can still laugh, but I know the deal:
Brave librarian cops will bristle and rage,

“Gen X Bandits Snatch Your Dignity,” page
six. Curse. Push away your favorite meal.
(Joke comprehension may decrease with age.)

“Because we say so—now get in your cage;
Who’s bona fide credentials did you steal?”
Brave librarian cops will bristle and rage.

I am a librarian not a mage,
but I do my job with style. Here’s the spiel:
Joke comprehension may decrease with age,
brave librarian cops will bristle and rage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joke comprehension may decrease with age.<br />
“Young, vulgar, tattooed hipsters&#8211;get real,”<br />
brave librarian cops will bristle and rage.</p>
<p>But if one life is saved by this Style Page<br />
it has been worth it. Though I feel<br />
joke comprehension may decrease with age</p>
<p>and sense of humor is a narrow stage.<br />
I can still laugh, but I know the deal:<br />
Brave librarian cops will bristle and rage,</p>
<p>“Gen X Bandits Snatch Your Dignity,” page<br />
six. Curse. Push away your favorite meal.<br />
(Joke comprehension may decrease with age.)</p>
<p>“Because we say so—now get in your cage;<br />
Who’s bona fide credentials did you steal?”<br />
Brave librarian cops will bristle and rage.</p>
<p>I am a librarian not a mage,<br />
but I do my job with style. Here’s the spiel:<br />
Joke comprehension may decrease with age,<br />
brave librarian cops will bristle and rage.</p>
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		<title>By: Governess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Governess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  I LOVE this article; it&#039;s long overdue (&#039;scuse the pun).  We librarians have always been cool, full stop.  I&#039;m a high school librarian in NZ and my library is hugely popular, fun, and funky.  You gotta blow your own trumpet when the stereotype of the dowdy shusher still prevails - but I&#039;ve got tats, an attitude, and I give the kids heaps; I&#039;m also the councillor, receive the confessions, and give praise and support to those kids who deserve it.  I own my job; I&#039;m proud of it.  This article confirms what we&#039;ve always known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  I LOVE this article; it&#8217;s long overdue (&#8216;scuse the pun).  We librarians have always been cool, full stop.  I&#8217;m a high school librarian in NZ and my library is hugely popular, fun, and funky.  You gotta blow your own trumpet when the stereotype of the dowdy shusher still prevails &#8211; but I&#8217;ve got tats, an attitude, and I give the kids heaps; I&#8217;m also the councillor, receive the confessions, and give praise and support to those kids who deserve it.  I own my job; I&#8217;m proud of it.  This article confirms what we&#8217;ve always known.</p>
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		<title>By: Josie Brown, author, IMPOSSIBLY TONGUE-TIED</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josie Brown, author, IMPOSSIBLY TONGUE-TIED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Long time coming.

I&#039;ve always thought librarians were cool. I remember having nice librarians in elementary school. Of course, I was a stack rat as a kid, too. Now I live in a county (Marin, in CA) with a lot of great libraries staffed by many friendly, helpful (and hip) librarians. I know my kids have appreciated their thoughtfulness, help, and humor. Are they cool people? Hell yeah. Knowledge is power. Power is sexy. So long time coming. Thank gawd the NY Times has taken note. Jessamyn, I guess W is next...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Long time coming.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought librarians were cool. I remember having nice librarians in elementary school. Of course, I was a stack rat as a kid, too. Now I live in a county (Marin, in CA) with a lot of great libraries staffed by many friendly, helpful (and hip) librarians. I know my kids have appreciated their thoughtfulness, help, and humor. Are they cool people? Hell yeah. Knowledge is power. Power is sexy. So long time coming. Thank gawd the NY Times has taken note. Jessamyn, I guess W is next&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medium-time listener, first time caller . . .

If you&#039;re being a pollyanna dork, jessamyn, where do I sign on?  A lot of us seem to have practically defined ourselves by our defiance against the normative image of the shushing bespectacled gray-hair.  We&#039;ve fought so long against being defined in that way that we can&#039;t stop: we object to being defined in any way by anybody.  It seems to become a sort of an indiscriminate lashing out.

While that may be a good thing in some regards (after all, no single image should ever define any group), it&#039;s not so good if the image of &quot;shushing gray-hair&quot; is replaced with &quot;cranky dour-face.&quot;

The strength of this article, it seems to me, lies in its telling folks who might not have otherwise imagined it that librarians are actually pretty approachable people.  Even if &lt;i&gt;we&#039;ve&lt;/i&gt; known it all along, it may come as a shock to quite a number of readers out there.  So if those that don&#039;t know now know something they should have known--as the result of a fluffy (but fun) article--isn&#039;t that a good thing?  Until you can say with straight faces that the majority of the population sees librarians the way we see ourselves, we should be pleased when articles like these open the door to a reinvestigation of our public image--whether it gets it right (for you) or not.

But I&#039;ll say it right now.  &quot;Guybrarian&quot; must die.  I prefer &quot;librarino.&quot;  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medium-time listener, first time caller . . .</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re being a pollyanna dork, jessamyn, where do I sign on?  A lot of us seem to have practically defined ourselves by our defiance against the normative image of the shushing bespectacled gray-hair.  We&#8217;ve fought so long against being defined in that way that we can&#8217;t stop: we object to being defined in any way by anybody.  It seems to become a sort of an indiscriminate lashing out.</p>
<p>While that may be a good thing in some regards (after all, no single image should ever define any group), it&#8217;s not so good if the image of &#8220;shushing gray-hair&#8221; is replaced with &#8220;cranky dour-face.&#8221;</p>
<p>The strength of this article, it seems to me, lies in its telling folks who might not have otherwise imagined it that librarians are actually pretty approachable people.  Even if <i>we&#8217;ve</i> known it all along, it may come as a shock to quite a number of readers out there.  So if those that don&#8217;t know now know something they should have known&#8211;as the result of a fluffy (but fun) article&#8211;isn&#8217;t that a good thing?  Until you can say with straight faces that the majority of the population sees librarians the way we see ourselves, we should be pleased when articles like these open the door to a reinvestigation of our public image&#8211;whether it gets it right (for you) or not.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll say it right now.  &#8220;Guybrarian&#8221; must die.  I prefer &#8220;librarino.&#8221;  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Who we are? &#171; Regis University ED205 Research Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who we are? &#171; Regis University ED205 Research Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who we&#160;are?   Published July 10th, 2007   Uncategorized      A recent article entitled &#8220;A Hipper Crowd of Shushers&#8221;  by Kara Jesella for the New York Times has created a lot of buzz among librarians with its description of an emerging young and &#8220;hip&#8221; generation of librarians. Librarians have always been sensitive to the stereotype associated with the profession, you know the one: the gray haired, bespectacled, sweater wearing librarian with the steely eyed prohibitive glare and who&#8217;s favorite word is &#8220;Shhhuush!&#8221;. This article, and the response it has amassed, got me thinking that this would be a great time to open the discussion to you, the students. Please tell us, what are your perceptions of librarians and the library? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Who we&nbsp;are?   Published July 10th, 2007   Uncategorized      A recent article entitled &#8220;A Hipper Crowd of Shushers&#8221;  by Kara Jesella for the New York Times has created a lot of buzz among librarians with its description of an emerging young and &#8220;hip&#8221; generation of librarians. Librarians have always been sensitive to the stereotype associated with the profession, you know the one: the gray haired, bespectacled, sweater wearing librarian with the steely eyed prohibitive glare and who&#8217;s favorite word is &#8220;Shhhuush!&#8221;. This article, and the response it has amassed, got me thinking that this would be a great time to open the discussion to you, the students. Please tell us, what are your perceptions of librarians and the library? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rachael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jessamyn. You were also featured in School Library Journal, by the way. 

I put in my two cents on the hipness question a while ago, and I continue to stand by both of them: 

http://yourfairybookmother.typepad.com/your_fairy_bookmother/2005/10/i_have_seen_the.html

Hip is as hip does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jessamyn. You were also featured in School Library Journal, by the way. </p>
<p>I put in my two cents on the hipness question a while ago, and I continue to stand by both of them: </p>
<p><a href="http://yourfairybookmother.typepad.com/your_fairy_bookmother/2005/10/i_have_seen_the.html" rel="nofollow">http://yourfairybookmother.typepad.com/your_fairy_bookmother/2005/10/i_have_seen_the.html</a></p>
<p>Hip is as hip does.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael C. Habib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C. Habib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KGS,

I agree that male and female reactions to librarian stereotypes might be an interesting study.  

For gaging reaction to this article The specific nature of this particular article, highlights that you would need to control for age.  One of the critiques that has been made is that the article has the us vs. them, young vs. old mentality and deals with a whole different set of stereotypes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KGS,</p>
<p>I agree that male and female reactions to librarian stereotypes might be an interesting study.  </p>
<p>For gaging reaction to this article The specific nature of this particular article, highlights that you would need to control for age.  One of the critiques that has been made is that the article has the us vs. them, young vs. old mentality and deals with a whole different set of stereotypes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An even better article (perhaps this is where NYT got the idea) from the NY Sun.  Favorite quote:  &quot;Asked how she can tell the archivists from the librarians, Ms. Cane said, &quot;Different gang colors.&quot;

http://www.nysun.com/article/57835</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An even better article (perhaps this is where NYT got the idea) from the NY Sun.  Favorite quote:  &#8220;Asked how she can tell the archivists from the librarians, Ms. Cane said, &#8220;Different gang colors.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/57835" rel="nofollow">http://www.nysun.com/article/57835</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rory Litwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory Litwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jess... I actually enjoyed the article and thought it portrayed the people it talked about pretty accurately. What I went off on was the whole phenomenon of hip librarians who think their being hip and their being progressive automatically go together. I don&#039;t think it was the author who made the link, it was the librarians she interviewed. (You linked to me as not liking the article; I just took it as an opportunity to rant about something related.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jess&#8230; I actually enjoyed the article and thought it portrayed the people it talked about pretty accurately. What I went off on was the whole phenomenon of hip librarians who think their being hip and their being progressive automatically go together. I don&#8217;t think it was the author who made the link, it was the librarians she interviewed. (You linked to me as not liking the article; I just took it as an opportunity to rant about something related.)</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think, Michael? We&#039;d really need to do an analysis. I was thinking this would make a great gender study.</description>
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