Comments on: crap, filtering bill on the move http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/ putting the rarin back in librarian since 1999 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:05:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: A Bunch of Us » Tha Internets Done Ate My Youngun! http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-17180 A Bunch of Us » Tha Internets Done Ate My Youngun! Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:02:58 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-17180 [...] Since the furor over the passage of this mindbendingly idiotic bill has been swift, widespread, and severe, I won’t bother rehashing it. (Click the links if you are actually unsure just what kind of Orwellian clusterfuck the House has just voted to foist upon us.) Besides, for my money, the ZenFormation Professional most succinctly summed up the entire debate, and in one sentence, no less: Now this is some truly scary “let’s get those seniors and soccer moms all paranoid before the midterm elections” shit. [...] [...] Since the furor over the passage of this mindbendingly idiotic bill has been swift, widespread, and severe, I won’t bother rehashing it. (Click the links if you are actually unsure just what kind of Orwellian clusterfuck the House has just voted to foist upon us.) Besides, for my money, the ZenFormation Professional most succinctly summed up the entire debate, and in one sentence, no less: Now this is some truly scary “let’s get those seniors and soccer moms all paranoid before the midterm elections” shit. [...]

]]> By: Heavy Metal Librarian » Blog Archive » Tha Internets Done Ate My Youngun! http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-17179 Heavy Metal Librarian » Blog Archive » Tha Internets Done Ate My Youngun! Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:58:53 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-17179 [...] Since the furor over the passage of this mindbendingly idiotic bill has been swift, widespread, and severe, I won’t bother rehashing it. (Click the links if you are actually unsure just what kind of Orwellian clusterfuck the House has just voted to foist upon us.) Besides, for my money, the ZenFormation Professional most succinctly summed up the entire debate, and in one sentence, no less: Now this is some truly scary “let’s get those seniors and soccer moms all paranoid before the midterm elections” shit. [...] [...] Since the furor over the passage of this mindbendingly idiotic bill has been swift, widespread, and severe, I won’t bother rehashing it. (Click the links if you are actually unsure just what kind of Orwellian clusterfuck the House has just voted to foist upon us.) Besides, for my money, the ZenFormation Professional most succinctly summed up the entire debate, and in one sentence, no less: Now this is some truly scary “let’s get those seniors and soccer moms all paranoid before the midterm elections” shit. [...]

]]> By: Doctor http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16879 Doctor Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:05:01 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16879 Sigh...(reading Cheryl's post). It may not be possible to legislate desirable behaviour (although the US tax code is awash that provide incentives for behaviour considered desirable by the government), but it is certainly possible to legislate against undesirable behaviour. It's pretty much the basis of our legal system. DOPA may fail in it's goal, but passing laws is what legislatures do. They're trying to address a devastating problem, but are in a quandry...How do we say "MySpace" and "Facebook" without saying "MySpace" and Facebook"? Thus, we get overly broad legislation because Congress can't say precisely what it means. Dr. Sigh…(reading Cheryl’s post). It may not be possible to legislate desirable behaviour (although the US tax code is awash that provide incentives for behaviour considered desirable by the government), but it is certainly possible to legislate against undesirable behaviour. It’s pretty much the basis of our legal system. DOPA may fail in it’s goal, but passing laws is what legislatures do. They’re trying to address a devastating problem, but are in a quandry…How do we say “MySpace” and “Facebook” without saying “MySpace” and Facebook”? Thus, we get overly broad legislation because Congress can’t say precisely what it means.

Dr.

]]> By: Magnus Becker-Pressespiegel gegen sexuelle Gewalt 80/06: » Magnus Becker,Pressespiegel,Brummi-Killer,Prostituierte,Russland http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16726 Magnus Becker-Pressespiegel gegen sexuelle Gewalt 80/06: » Magnus Becker,Pressespiegel,Brummi-Killer,Prostituierte,Russland Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:38:30 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16726 [...] www.librarian.net/stax/1806 (… This bill is also known as DOPA, also known as bad news for libraries….) [...] [...] http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806 (… This bill is also known as DOPA, also known as bad news for libraries….) [...]

]]> By: Cheryl http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16694 Cheryl Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:39:57 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16694 Sigh... this society (read, our Congress and certain of the people who elected them) will never learn that it's not possible to legislate desirable behavior. Sigh… this society (read, our Congress and certain of the people who elected them) will never learn that it’s not possible to legislate desirable behavior.

]]> By: Bob's Your Uncle http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16689 Bob's Your Uncle Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:42:01 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16689 According to the text of the bill, sites that permit "registered users to create an on-line profile that includes detailed personal information" would be subject to regulation. Does anyone have a sense of how this legislation will effect a students' ability to access and post on WikiPedia? According to the text of the bill, sites that permit “registered users to create an on-line profile that includes detailed personal information” would be subject to regulation.
Does anyone have a sense of how this legislation will effect a students’ ability to access and post on WikiPedia?

]]> By: Soviet_Bear http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16686 Soviet_Bear Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:31:14 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16686 The problem is that almost every site out there now has a discussion forum, and almost every web e-mail has an integrated chat feature (as per my understanding, both of these would be blocked). "Sorry miss, because you could conceivably chat on Gmail, we blocked it." "Sorry about your <a> Monster Magnet</a> forum, sir, but you know, it's against the law." "Sorry Billy, but if you register with Disney.com your library card will be blocked and your permissions suspended." The problem is that almost every site out there now has a discussion forum, and almost every web e-mail has an integrated chat feature (as per my understanding, both of these would be blocked).

“Sorry miss, because you could conceivably chat on Gmail, we blocked it.”

“Sorry about your Monster Magnet forum, sir, but you know, it’s against the law.”

“Sorry Billy, but if you register with Disney.com your library card will be blocked and your permissions suspended.”

]]> By: Abby Rovner http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16683 Abby Rovner Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:06:32 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16683 This'll really help those IM Reference services. Need help from a librarian? You'll have to go home. And will this make all Chat Reference illegal? This’ll really help those IM Reference services.

Need help from a librarian? You’ll have to go home.

And will this make all Chat Reference illegal?

]]> By: Alex Grigg http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16679 Alex Grigg Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:37:16 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16679 Bills like this make me wonder how many bizarre bills were passed when telephone usage hit it big. I imagine conversations like this: "Oh my lord! Kids can use phones in libraries and public schools to contact evil doers? Someone pass an over-reaching and unhlepful law! Hurry!" "But ma'am, there are now pay phones on every street corner. What would be the point?" "Help! This evil doer wants to help pedophiles and satanists! Push that law through fast or or evil wins!" Bills like this make me wonder how many bizarre bills were passed when telephone usage hit it big.

I imagine conversations like this:

“Oh my lord! Kids can use phones in libraries and public schools to contact evil doers? Someone pass an over-reaching and unhlepful law! Hurry!”

“But ma’am, there are now pay phones on every street corner. What would be the point?”

“Help! This evil doer wants to help pedophiles and satanists! Push that law through fast or or evil wins!”

]]> By: Keith http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16678 Keith Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:15:15 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16678 Sadly, I think Greg has inadvertently answered all your questions: It doesn't matter. People don't want to analyze the problem, they just want a "decisive response" that feels like it has "teeth". People elect Representatives. Representatives pass legislation. Some other people are forced to jump through hoops. The problem continues unabated. Repeat. Sorry, that's glib. But stupidity makes me mad. The sad thing is that any resistance to wrong-headed, counterproductive half-measures such as this is perceived as being against fighting the problem... as if we *want* predators to pursue children. Sadder still is that wrong-headed, counterproductive half-measures such as this distract people from measures that might actually help the situation. Just be glad they didn't decide to bulldoze all the nation's parks and playgrounds... after all, predators are known to hunt minors there, too! Sadly, I think Greg has inadvertently answered all your questions:

It doesn’t matter.

People don’t want to analyze the problem, they just want a “decisive response” that feels like it has “teeth”. People elect Representatives. Representatives pass legislation. Some other people are forced to jump through hoops. The problem continues unabated. Repeat.

Sorry, that’s glib. But stupidity makes me mad.

The sad thing is that any resistance to wrong-headed, counterproductive half-measures such as this is perceived as being against fighting the problem… as if we *want* predators to pursue children.

Sadder still is that wrong-headed, counterproductive half-measures such as this distract people from measures that might actually help the situation.

Just be glad they didn’t decide to bulldoze all the nation’s parks and playgrounds… after all, predators are known to hunt minors there, too!

]]> By: Greg http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806/crap-filtering-bill-on-the-move/comment-page-1/#comment-16676 Greg Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:33:53 +0000 http://www.librarian.net/stax/1806#comment-16676 You don't have to use a social networking site in order to know predators hang out on them. And 'harmful to minors' might not be a legally defined term but at least Congress can recognize the differences between adults and minors. Who knew politicians were smarter than librarians? You don’t have to use a social networking site in order to know predators hang out on them. And ‘harmful to minors’ might not be a legally defined term but at least Congress can recognize the differences between adults and minors. Who knew politicians were smarter than librarians?

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