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		<title>Comment on why is the ACLU suing the Library of Congress? by Devon Persing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon Persing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 5 years ago I was an I-School student doing a weeklong internship at the Library of Congress. At one point, all of the interns from my program were rounded up and introduced to CRS for a recruitment talk.

I can understand that the role of the CRS is to provide unbiased research to Congress for decision-making purposes. However, my short experience talking with CRS employees definitely made me think their policies went beyond workplace neutrality. It was pretty baldly stated during our discussion that if you had any sort of strong political leanings or a history of activism, they were not going to hire you (and they were going to find out about those things because, like all federal employees, you&#039;d have an extensive background check done). I got completely turned off at the prospect, as did many of my friends who were present. A pity, because they&#039;ve doubtlessly lost (and are continuing to lose) people who do good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 5 years ago I was an I-School student doing a weeklong internship at the Library of Congress. At one point, all of the interns from my program were rounded up and introduced to CRS for a recruitment talk.</p>
<p>I can understand that the role of the CRS is to provide unbiased research to Congress for decision-making purposes. However, my short experience talking with CRS employees definitely made me think their policies went beyond workplace neutrality. It was pretty baldly stated during our discussion that if you had any sort of strong political leanings or a history of activism, they were not going to hire you (and they were going to find out about those things because, like all federal employees, you&#8217;d have an extensive background check done). I got completely turned off at the prospect, as did many of my friends who were present. A pity, because they&#8217;ve doubtlessly lost (and are continuing to lose) people who do good work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris wrote:

&lt;i&gt;If they can point out how sharing this hurts the author, in concrete real terms, then their argument has some merit.&lt;/i&gt;

Certainly.  If I sneak into a musician&#039;s house and take money of his wallet, this is no different from illegally downloading one of his songs.  Both methods take money -- property -- away from its owner.  That&#039;s harm.</description>
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<p><i>If they can point out how sharing this hurts the author, in concrete real terms, then their argument has some merit.</i></p>
<p>Certainly.  If I sneak into a musician&#8217;s house and take money of his wallet, this is no different from illegally downloading one of his songs.  Both methods take money &#8212; property &#8212; away from its owner.  That&#8217;s harm.</p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by Week of Links 2/7/10 &#124; Tomorrow Museum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Week of Links 2/7/10 &#124; Tomorrow Museum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is an aside titled &#039;Week of Links 2/7/10&#039; dated 2/8/10 All map, no territory. Internet Archaeology tumblr (via.) Another great Sam Anderson piece in New York mag, this one on ChatRoulette.  Los Angeles no longer plays itself. Found that on Interdome, a great blog on the age of atemporality. I can&#8217;t wait to read Triple Canopy on an iPad. And comics. Are the suited for digital? Listen to Scott McLeod on this. &#8220;There’s Nothing I Can Do When I Think of You Late at Night,&#8221; short stories about Rurual Shanxi peasants, by Cao Naiqian, entirely &#8220;concerned with the basic instincts for food and sex.” looks interesting. Someone is trying to send Jerry Saltz a message. Do you look pretty or smart? Save the egg drinks! Lauren Cornell on how net art is not new, it&#8217;s been thriving for nearly two decades now. More from Tom Moody. Bot-Mediated Reality. Alan Lomax in Haiti. And in the middle of all that, one woman cried out, &#8220;Fuck this.&#8221; “With enough libraries, all content is free.” &#8211; Jessamyn West. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is an aside titled &#39;Week of Links 2/7/10&#39; dated 2/8/10 All map, no territory. Internet Archaeology tumblr (via.) Another great Sam Anderson piece in New York mag, this one on ChatRoulette.  Los Angeles no longer plays itself. Found that on Interdome, a great blog on the age of atemporality. I can&#8217;t wait to read Triple Canopy on an iPad. And comics. Are the suited for digital? Listen to Scott McLeod on this. &#8220;There’s Nothing I Can Do When I Think of You Late at Night,&#8221; short stories about Rurual Shanxi peasants, by Cao Naiqian, entirely &#8220;concerned with the basic instincts for food and sex.” looks interesting. Someone is trying to send Jerry Saltz a message. Do you look pretty or smart? Save the egg drinks! Lauren Cornell on how net art is not new, it&#8217;s been thriving for nearly two decades now. More from Tom Moody. Bot-Mediated Reality. Alan Lomax in Haiti. And in the middle of all that, one woman cried out, &#8220;Fuck this.&#8221; “With enough libraries, all content is free.” &#8211; Jessamyn West. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My litmus test is, if someone uses the phrase &#039;Intellectual Property&#039; their argument automatically loses all value and is pointless. Much the same as the term &#039;Politically correct&#039;. If they can point out how sharing this hurts the author, in concrete real terms, then their argument has some merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My litmus test is, if someone uses the phrase &#8216;Intellectual Property&#8217; their argument automatically loses all value and is pointless. Much the same as the term &#8216;Politically correct&#8217;. If they can point out how sharing this hurts the author, in concrete real terms, then their argument has some merit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know when I perform work or contribute something to a project I like to get paid. And then there are things like this, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aiip.org/CodeOfEthics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Code of Ethics&lt;/a&gt; that independent info pros subscribe to as a matter of course. &quot;Recognize intellectual property rights.&quot; That&#039;s just up the road from &quot;Don&#039;t be evil&quot; if you get my drift. 

Most academic libraries have to sign a contract with the vendors (there&#039;s still more than one vendor, right?) that severely limits access to the information. I only wish *any* of my alma maters could let me buy access. 

I heard once of a professor who shared his  password with students &amp; colleagues on another continent so they could access databases provided by his university library. The VP of academic resources immediately labeled him the Global Village Idiot and changed his password. 

We learn to share in kindergarten but the message we&#039;ve internalized by the time we become professionals is that sharing is wrong. Bummer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know when I perform work or contribute something to a project I like to get paid. And then there are things like this, the <a href="http://www.aiip.org/CodeOfEthics" rel="nofollow">Code of Ethics</a> that independent info pros subscribe to as a matter of course. &#8220;Recognize intellectual property rights.&#8221; That&#8217;s just up the road from &#8220;Don&#8217;t be evil&#8221; if you get my drift. </p>
<p>Most academic libraries have to sign a contract with the vendors (there&#8217;s still more than one vendor, right?) that severely limits access to the information. I only wish *any* of my alma maters could let me buy access. </p>
<p>I heard once of a professor who shared his  password with students &amp; colleagues on another continent so they could access databases provided by his university library. The VP of academic resources immediately labeled him the Global Village Idiot and changed his password. </p>
<p>We learn to share in kindergarten but the message we&#8217;ve internalized by the time we become professionals is that sharing is wrong. Bummer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who knows what users want? Maybe not library staff&#8230; by barbara fister</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbara fister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really need a copy, though if it were handy I&#039;d read it. But this is another case of a publisher who is fine with authors posting a copy online but librarian authors not bothering. Oh dear, I&#039;m becoming a shrill nag, aren&#039;t I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really need a copy, though if it were handy I&#8217;d read it. But this is another case of a publisher who is fine with authors posting a copy online but librarian authors not bothering. Oh dear, I&#8217;m becoming a shrill nag, aren&#8217;t I?</p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by barbara fister</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbara fister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What seems especially weird to me is that LIBRARIANS as authors can&#039;t be bothered to put their work where their mouth is. Why agree to make your work hard to obtain while lecturing people in other disciplines that they should go open access? By the way, you can post articles you publish in JAL online and make them accessible, though Elsevier has inconvenience built into their author agreement. Hardly any librarians bother, though. That&#039;s a real disservice to the values of our profession and to our colleagues. It also makes my head hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What seems especially weird to me is that LIBRARIANS as authors can&#8217;t be bothered to put their work where their mouth is. Why agree to make your work hard to obtain while lecturing people in other disciplines that they should go open access? By the way, you can post articles you publish in JAL online and make them accessible, though Elsevier has inconvenience built into their author agreement. Hardly any librarians bother, though. That&#8217;s a real disservice to the values of our profession and to our colleagues. It also makes my head hurt.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Library 2.0 and Jaron Lanier and You by Karla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh--and I just put &quot;You are Not a Gadget&quot; on hold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8211;and I just put &#8220;You are Not a Gadget&#8221; on hold!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Library 2.0 and Jaron Lanier and You by Karla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was very informative to hear criticism of Web 2.0 from someone who has been important in the online world.  What resonated most strongly for me was Lanier&#039;s point that that the Social Networking part of the Internet is only just that--a small part.  I&#039;ll be sure to keep that in mind at the library when I&#039;m training adults on how to use computers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was very informative to hear criticism of Web 2.0 from someone who has been important in the online world.  What resonated most strongly for me was Lanier&#8217;s point that that the Social Networking part of the Internet is only just that&#8211;a small part.  I&#8217;ll be sure to keep that in mind at the library when I&#8217;m training adults on how to use computers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on love letters to your library by heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we delivered them on tuesday, the public turnout was awesome. here&#039;s video of the city council meeting, from the &quot;jump to&quot; menu select &quot;B Presentations&quot; http://pinole.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&amp;clip_id=689</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we delivered them on tuesday, the public turnout was awesome. here&#8217;s video of the city council meeting, from the &#8220;jump to&#8221; menu select &#8220;B Presentations&#8221; <a href="http://pinole.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&amp;clip_id=689" rel="nofollow">http://pinole.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&amp;clip_id=689</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by Loren MccRory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren MccRory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, if info isn&#039;t free, who decides? Vermont, or one of the other states that has contracted with subscription vendors? Librarians have not only created the monstrous database costs, we&#039;ve also been responsible for the support and feeding.

Mashable content and Creative Commons will be our resources in the future. Contributing, not just distributing will be the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, if info isn&#8217;t free, who decides? Vermont, or one of the other states that has contracted with subscription vendors? Librarians have not only created the monstrous database costs, we&#8217;ve also been responsible for the support and feeding.</p>
<p>Mashable content and Creative Commons will be our resources in the future. Contributing, not just distributing will be the solution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this! There are Livejournal communities of graduate students dedicated to backchannel ILL, which, in the current climate, I wholeheartedly support. The situation with access to expensive electronic journals and databases is a classic case of &quot;to those who already have, more shall be given&quot;: those without stable academic affiliations, on the fringes of the academy, are least likely to have reliable access and not remotely likely to be able to afford subscriptions or outrageous pay-per-view fees. And you know what? Chances that scholars in the humanities and social sciences will ever side with vendors and publishers on this are nil: the content of these databases represents the uncompensated or undercompensated labor of precisely the people who can&#039;t afford to pay individually for access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this! There are Livejournal communities of graduate students dedicated to backchannel ILL, which, in the current climate, I wholeheartedly support. The situation with access to expensive electronic journals and databases is a classic case of &#8220;to those who already have, more shall be given&#8221;: those without stable academic affiliations, on the fringes of the academy, are least likely to have reliable access and not remotely likely to be able to afford subscriptions or outrageous pay-per-view fees. And you know what? Chances that scholars in the humanities and social sciences will ever side with vendors and publishers on this are nil: the content of these databases represents the uncompensated or undercompensated labor of precisely the people who can&#8217;t afford to pay individually for access.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Library 2.0 and Jaron Lanier and You by Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I suggest that everyone do what I did last Saturday: Take A Librarian To Lunch! They&#039;re great conversationalists.

I&#039;m amused by all the &quot;crushes&quot; in the previous post. And I can tell you that from here in economically crushed California, the phrase &quot;rural Vermont&quot; sounds like heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I suggest that everyone do what I did last Saturday: Take A Librarian To Lunch! They&#8217;re great conversationalists.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m amused by all the &#8220;crushes&#8221; in the previous post. And I can tell you that from here in economically crushed California, the phrase &#8220;rural Vermont&#8221; sounds like heaven.</p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take issue with the Facebooker who claimed that the journal&#039;s price was evil.

It&#039;s their property, not hers.  They should be able to charge any price they want, or not even offer it for sale, should they desire.

No one is under any moral obligation to surrender their property for any reason.  If you want it, buy it.  If it&#039;s not for sale, too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take issue with the Facebooker who claimed that the journal&#8217;s price was evil.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s their property, not hers.  They should be able to charge any price they want, or not even offer it for sale, should they desire.</p>
<p>No one is under any moral obligation to surrender their property for any reason.  If you want it, buy it.  If it&#8217;s not for sale, too bad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on when good librarians go bad, geniune options in librarianship by Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Among my circle of friends, this is called back-channel ILL.&quot;

And in our licenses, it&#039;s called scholarly sharing.  It&#039;s perfectly legitimate for occasional use.  Where you&#039;d be violating the terms is if this were being done systematically to avoid paying for a subscription.  (Not all licenses permit this, but my institution would not likely sign one that explicitly prohibited it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Among my circle of friends, this is called back-channel ILL.&#8221;</p>
<p>And in our licenses, it&#8217;s called scholarly sharing.  It&#8217;s perfectly legitimate for occasional use.  Where you&#8217;d be violating the terms is if this were being done systematically to avoid paying for a subscription.  (Not all licenses permit this, but my institution would not likely sign one that explicitly prohibited it.)</p>
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